HIS WORDS:
"I'm vague on it. As I see it, what you've got here is a way of looking at suffering that comforts you. It is founded upon your belief that we live in a benevolent universe. I have no such belief because (a) I see no evidence for it; and (b) it seems to me that you run into a lot of inherent contradictions.
Take your belief about suffering being brought upon those who are ready for it as a growth opportunity, for example. You appear to arrive at this belief based upon your observation of people who individually become ill for no obvious reason. As I ponder this, I think of entire ethnic groups that suffer famine or genocide, or the millions of sufferers in impoverished nations such as the one to my south, Mexico. According to your belief, it would seem that all of those sufferers during WWII or in the current wastelands of Darfur are enduring such horrors because they are all ready for growth. How extraordinary to posit that millions of people were lumped together in various times and at various places so they could suffer the same horrors as a growth opportunity. I can not imagine that they would see it this way. It frankly strikes me as a theory arrived at from a state of relative comfort, but, of course, I could be wrong because, like you, perhaps, I have never seen everyone I loved die or had everything I owned taken from me even while my own body deteriorated"

Take your belief about suffering being brought upon those who are ready for it as a growth opportunity, for example. You appear to arrive at this belief based upon your observation of people who individually become ill for no obvious reason. As I ponder this, I think of entire ethnic groups that suffer famine or genocide, or the millions of sufferers in impoverished nations such as the one to my south, Mexico. According to your belief, it would seem that all of those sufferers during WWII or in the current wastelands of Darfur are enduring such horrors because they are all ready for growth. How extraordinary to posit that millions of people were lumped together in various times and at various places so they could suffer the same horrors as a growth opportunity. I can not imagine that they would see it this way. It frankly strikes me as a theory arrived at from a state of relative comfort, but, of course, I could be wrong because, like you, perhaps, I have never seen everyone I loved die or had everything I owned taken from me even while my own body deteriorated"

AND MY THOUGHTS:
Hmmmmm... This 'way' of viewing ~life~ didn't just 'come to me' from 'relative comfort' as you put it my friend, i think to honor this 'way of thinking' one has usually 'put in the hours'... It is not a prerequisite to suffer of course, for one's eyes to be opened, but does often speed the process up in my human experience, (as we can see in the history of mans suffering as you say) and it has indeed often been born of much heartache in history, even as it is being written now, i agree...
My personal awakening (of sorts, for want of a better word, because for me it is an on going process) was too born of some misery, if one chooses to view it that way...
which began with the loss of my dearest Dad unexpectedly when he was just 56yrs, which then went on to trigger a time when i was so broken by this loss that i seriously considered perhaps that it should be my time to leave this earthly place too... and if it were not for the fact that i had small children at the time, perhaps it could have been so...
This 'way' of viewing life was also born of my journey with cancer, as it has struck me not once, but twice...
This 'way of living' has been born of watching as one of my Auntie's died of an inoperable brain tumor and being unable to help...
which began with the loss of my dearest Dad unexpectedly when he was just 56yrs, which then went on to trigger a time when i was so broken by this loss that i seriously considered perhaps that it should be my time to leave this earthly place too... and if it were not for the fact that i had small children at the time, perhaps it could have been so...
This 'way' of viewing life was also born of my journey with cancer, as it has struck me not once, but twice...
This 'way of living' has been born of watching as one of my Auntie's died of an inoperable brain tumor and being unable to help...
It has been born of watching my Grandfather fight death even as he died, and of watching a young man show me by example, how to face death with no fear in your heart ...even as his physical heart failed him...
Privileged i am to have these people touch my life for they have been my teachers...
i have been there for friends as they lost their loves too and have stood by helpless, at funerals as no doubt so perhaps have you...
And in my limited traveling experience i also have seen the beggars and the hungry living on the streets in all their misery and indeed have seen poverty in my very own country too...
And in my limited traveling experience i also have seen the beggars and the hungry living on the streets in all their misery and indeed have seen poverty in my very own country too...
and so have i, as have so many on this dear planet, been touched by heartache and suffering and loss in so many different ways, for it has been mans earthly duty to do it in this way for eons (as you note)...
...And so for this awakening i will not be ashamed
...for i have learned through these experiences ...that it need not be so...
...for i have learned through these experiences ...that it need not be so...
...and i have come to understand it to be a 'chosen form of learning' ...for it is the suffering and poor and dying who have taught me in all their suffering and loss and dying... that it need not so be so
For they have given me the gift and the privilege of sharing also in their Re-births...
This 'way' of thinking, indeed 'living' has been for me (but not for everyone) born of the dark places that i have journeyed to by myself, and with others... But it has been in these very places where i have also been unexpectedly touched by ~Love~ ...The deepest, purest and truest kind of love that takes you by the hand and gives you PROOF in no uncertain terms that life is a much bigger picture than just oneself ...
i am taught that life is a simple reflection of my most innermost thoughts...
and yes this can ~seem~ the ultimate contradiction i agree...
and yes this can ~seem~ the ultimate contradiction i agree...
But i have personally learned through experience that the ways of man are hard only because he chooses it to be so, and that in some of the most impoverished places on this planet that some people live with a greater sense of personal ~peace~ than some of we more 'comfortable folk' will ever understand... To my 'way of thinking', indeed this striving to 'be', has been born of the many experiences that could have made me bitter and twisted (and indeed for a long time did, thus perhaps my reasons to draw cancer to me)... Instead i choose to SEE the ~patterns~ of my life and so see it reflected in the lives of those around me ...and (because i am a stubborn soul!) because i think on some level my soul has sometimes screamed for EXPLANATION (!!!) i have been given many examples of proof, both very 'real' and physical and more ethereal and spiritual ...
And so my dear bloggy friend it is ~here~ in this space that i often post these experiences...
often as a kind of verification... mainly to myself...
often as a kind of verification... mainly to myself...
...and as i sit here writing these words to you, i send you my ~Love~ for you give me cause, to again, by no co-incidence, at this very moment in time, by posing such questions to me, to remind me, during these challenging times, as i engage in my human doubts (as it should be, for i choose to come ~here~ for this experience)...
...that i am indeed never alone in my trials, so Thankyou my dear bloggy friend
...that i am indeed never alone in my trials, so Thankyou my dear bloggy friend
~Thankyou~ for sharing in the journey
<3
10 comments:
Very profound words dear one. You are coming to the understanding. Thanks for sharing such deep and insightful thoughts. Blessings
QMM
i agree, but you knew i would.
However regardless of our personal belief systems I think that your bloggy friend over in North America or Canada is missing the point of this way of thinking.
Let all you do be done in love, whether to yourself or others. As to the people in Darfur what does it matter how they came to be in the position they are in, esoterically speaking. Pick up a pen or whip of an email to a member of your parliment asking for action on the situation, ask what your country is and can do for these impoverished people. Choose a charity organisation that you trust and admire and donate or sponsor today, even if you cant afford it there is always something you can do if you are so moved by their plight. We should not concern ourselves so much with the reasons behind another person or whole ethnic groups journey in this lifetime our focus when it comes to the question 'why' should always remain on ourselves, figure out and understand our own journey and let others do the same. If we first concentrate on understanding our own existence we will come to see that it does not matter how or why others came to be in the position they are in, all that matters is that we are always generous of our own nature, time and resources. That in doing everything, both to ourselves and to others, from a place of Love, we will create great change in this world. But first we must change ourselves in order to create change around us, we must lead by example.
It just doesnt matter why when it comes to others, it only matters when it concerns yourself, you can never answer another persons questions about their destiny or journey only they can, with a little help from the others who they come upon on their journey.
Vicki i think you are wonderful, you have made such great progress in every aspect of your self discovery. I see the results in your body and your soul which sparkles through your smile.
I think your bloggy friend is wonderful too for caring about the people of Africa and other impoverished nations, if we each cared for just one other impoverished person then poverty would truly be history.
Love to you both.
Namaste
xsm
I don't think he quite understands how it works. How these conclusions are reached by those who reach them. They are just the lessons we learn as we go along. Standing in life we can choose cynicism or we can choose optimism. In all circumstances those are our choices. I choose the second. And it generally works out for me.
Breeze
Wonderful post....Beautiful Lady... Well written and presented piece. Thank you. Love still is the answer
Linda
Very interesting post ... personally ... the adversity in my life has 'matured' me the most.
I do think one has to be open to the growth tho.
I can only speak personally and not offer any of this as a universal truth, but I did clearly see my own battle with cancer as offering only two roads, one of despair, the other of opportunity. I did come to my cancer from a "place of relative comfort" and this was not a "learning opportunity" I either sought or welcomed, but despair didn't seem a reasonable option under the circumstances. And so I learned.
I guess if I was to universalize what I've learned and apply it to a situation like Darfur (or Mexico), I would say we have the same two options: we can despair and be overwhelmed by the degree of suffering and do nothing, or we can see it as a learning opportunity and do something to help.
Like Nolly, I prefer the latter.
Yeah
:)
I understand both sides of the argument.
For me, for whatever reason someone wants to suggest I pick it, it doesn't matter.
I must choose hope over despair. I believe that I can, rather than I can't. And by that I don't mean live or die I mean help or not.
Love Renee xoxo
Such a moving post. And you are gorgeous by they way!
It is what I have struggled with that has given me my heart.
~Love you guyz~
Thanks for popping by x
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